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by termmilrado1986 2020. 2. 23. 07:25

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I have a question about a Rotary watch. I have three (I know it sounds odd,but I'll explain.) of the same model, but they all vary slightly.The watch in question, is a gents quartz, bi-metallic, bracelet watch. Theoriginal I bought (new) from a mainstream, high street jeweller, in the UK,in the early 90s (I'm guessing around '92-'93). At the time, it cost mearound £160.So not a particularly expensive, or prestigious watch.

However, the stylingof it was something I thought perfect - and over the years, that hasn'tchanged.A few years back, after buying another watch for myself and my wife, shegave her existing watch to her mothers (this watch was a matching, ladiesversion of this Rotary model, which I'd previously bought for her as apresent). So, I gave my watch to her father - it seemed a nice thing to do.I since came to regret that - not because of any resentment - merely becauseover time, I came to realise that it was the model of watch that I reallyappreciated, and I regretted giving it up. I didn't regret giving it to myfather-in-law, in that I wouldn't give something to somebody, then feelaggrieved by it - I merely missed it as a watch, in a way I didn't expect.After a few years, I bought another watch, and after talking to my wifeabout how much I missed my favourite Rotary watch (and bearing in mind,they no longer seemed available to buy from high street retailers), shesuggested that I offer the watch that I'd bought (some time back) to replacethis Rotary, to her father, to see if he would feel like swapping this, andgiving the original back to me. I wanted to be careful, because I didn'twant to cause any offence, or upset (in case he had become attached to it).Anyway, after speaking to him, he seemed more than happy to swap, as thewatch he'd get in kind, was more - how shall I put it - flashy;-)So I was most grateful to get my original back - although the condition ofit was something that needed attention.

As he is a painter and decorator bytrade, and doesn't seem to have a concept of not using things of a certainvalue, when they can get damaged or tainted, and him being left-handed,doesn't help, here (I've only recently convinced him that wearing a cheap£20 watch for work, means keeping his better watches in a more presentablecondition).So I took it to a jewellers, and asked them about getting it repaired /reconditioned. There was a scratch in the glass / crystal, and fine paintsplatterings on it, and the bracelet, and some of the gold-plating had fadeor rubbed of some parts of the case.The said that the most cost-efficient way of restoring it would be to buy anew case from Rotary, and have the bracelet ultra-sonically cleaned(otherwise it was in reasonable condition). So after paying for this to bedone, I was more or less happy with it.Whilst on holiday in Cyprus a couple of years back, I spotted this model ofwatch for sale at a jewellers.

And as it was in perfect, brand-newcondition, and was my ideal choice, I eventually succumbed and decided tobuy it - I then figured I'd have a brand-new version of the watch, perhapsto wear occasionally, and the restored version to wear daily. Sounds a bitobsessive, I know - but given that for a good few years, I'd not spottedthem for sale, and being able to buy a brand-new one, was a temptation toomuch. It cost me (from memory) a little over £200 - maybe as much as £220.There were some slight variations between it, and my original - the braceletclasp was a little more robust, although still a similar design, and thegold plating seemed a touch paler. Also the font / type of digits in thedate display seemed slightly different. Otherwise it was exactly the same -so the same model, same case, same face (although the text below the centrepoint on the face may have been subtly different).

And the inscriptions /engravings, and numbers on the watch backing were the same.It's probably only natural to worry about the authenticity of something youbuy in a foreign country - but I kinda thought that the value / price rangeof the watch didn't seem that relevant to counterfeits (I could understandit in more valuable watches). The packaging and box all seemed completelyauthentic as did all the documents with it. And to appease any paranoidfears I had, a jeweller in England did confirm it was the genuine article.Just recently, I spotted a watch on ebay, of exactly the same type / model.There didn't appear much interest, and the price was pretty low - yet thecondition seemed excellent (and after buying it, it was as good asdescribed). I thought I'd bid up to a very modest price - based on therationale, that I'd have a cheap donor watch for any parts / components formy other two versions, if I had any problems in the future.Given that there's not always a lot of interest for something like this,unless it has personal appeal, I won the auction at a very modest price(£17). I receive the watch, and was delighted with the condition of it. It'sactually in better condition than the version I had restored.And after all that waffle;-) I'll get to the point of why I've posted!

Thiswatch looks identical to the original I bought - the colouring of theplating is the same, and the font of the digits in the date display isidentical. The only differences that are evident are that the clasp on thebracelet is of a different type to the other two; and apart from somelettering talking about water resistance, and what appears to be either amodel number, or serial number, the case backing doesn't have any Rotaryengravings like the other two versions I have. The text below the centre ofthe watch face is another variant - but the main thing that I spotted -which I haven't seen on.any. of my Rotary watches (I have two other Rotarywatch models), is that on the watch face, at the bottom, below the 6 (wellVI in roman numerals) position, in very small black lettering says 'JAPAN'.This kinda made me curious, because I vaguely thought I'd read that theywere a Swiss company - and none of my other Rotary watches has this text.Could any of you experts confirm whether this sounds correct? Do Rotary useJapanese movements quite normally? Is it likely / possible that this is afake / counterfeit watch (it would seem odd to me, because the model ofwatch isn't that valuable - although not a cheap £20 / £30 / £50 watch, it'snot a watch in the many hundreds of pounds, either).It wouldn't bother me if it was a fake - because my main reason for buyingit at such a cheap price was as a potential donor for parts / components forthe future - but as it's in such good condition, I have been wearing it.Many thanks for any answers.Sorry for the length and waffle!Cheers.

I have a question about a Rotary watch. I have three (I know it sounds odd,but I'll explain.) of the same model, but they all vary slightly.I wouldn't pay more than twenty quid for a rotary quartz watch. The ones Ihave had experience of have shite movements, are tacky, and the platingwears off the case at the lugs very easily.Mine had an ISA 1198 movement in it. It purported to be 'Swiss-Made'(indeed, it said as much on the bottom of the dial), but when looking on theISA website, it turned out that it was known as a 'Swiss Concept' movement,which might have been made in China or Switzerland, according to the blurb.The seconds hand didn't align properly, when half-past-eight occurred, thehour-hand was where it should have been at a quarter-to-nine.

Dissatisfied,I sent it back to Rotary (Moyes-Dreyfuss at Westcliff-on-Sea, Southend, UK),and they put a 'prestige' Chinese (Hong-Kong) movement in it. This, too,went faulty after a while, so a further repair was made (I paid for thisone) and another ISA Swiss/Chinese movt. Was put in it.Again, it stopped working (OK, I had been somewhat rough with the watch, butno more than, say, a Seiko would stand). I sent it off to an independentdealer who put another ISA 1198 in it - Made in China with Swiss parts bythe Prestige Time Company.I remember once having a 'H. Samuel' own-brand watch, with exactly the samemovement, and costing about an eighth of the price.

I'm sorry, but - to mymind - Rotary watches are no better than 'Singapore Rolexes' or thosewatches one buys on a market stall.I would steer well clear of them.-Regds,Russell W. B.take out dog before replying by Email! Mine had an ISA 1198 movement in it. It purported to be 'Swiss-Made'(indeed, it said as much on the bottom of the dial), but when looking on theISA website, it turned out that it was known as a 'Swiss Concept' movement,which might have been made in China or Switzerland, according to the blurb.I guess this was what I was puzzled with - doesn't really bother me from aperceived quality standpoint - I'm under no illusions that any of thewatches I own are particularly of any quality. But with 3 of the same model,and only one mentioning 'JAPAN' on the dial, I was curious as to whether itimplied anything about that particular watch (as opposed to the model ingeneral).I guess I now know to use the rationale that unless it says 'Swiss' on, it'sunlikely to be.I like this particular watch model for aesthetic reasons - basically becauseit is quite slim and subtle. Again, it stopped working (OK, I had been somewhat rough with the watch, butno more than, say, a Seiko would stand). I sent it off to an independentdealer who put another ISA 1198 in it - Made in China with Swiss parts bythe Prestige Time Company.Funny you should mention Seiko - I've got 5 Rotary watches, and two Seiko.One being a Kinetic, the other being a 5.

I've been happy with both - the 5was a present - don't wear it that much (it's an automatic), the Kinetic isquite a rare model - looks rather art deco styles - I wear that quitefrequently, and have been very happy with it. I suspect I favour it moreover the 5, because the Kinetic (it isn't an auto relay) will operate for(I'd guess) a good couple of weeks of inactivity, before running out ofjuice, where as the automatic needs to be worn quite frequently to keep itgoing.And although I quite like Seiko watches, too, neither of mine seem of anyhigher standard than my Rotary watches, though. Although I'm no expert onthe movements - but in use, and for accuracy, I see nothing between the onesI have - and if it's not that apparent, then that says something.

Which might have been made in China or Switzerland, according to theblurb.I guess this was what I was puzzled with - doesn't really bother me from aperceived quality standpoint - I'm under no illusions that any of thewatches I own are particularly of any quality. But with 3 of the same model,and only one mentioning 'JAPAN' on the dial, I was curious as to whether itimplied anything about that particular watch (as opposed to the model ingeneral).It may have something to do with where the destined market for thewatch was. Isn't the USA obliged to show country-of-origin onimported goods?

There are rules 'n' regs governing the inclusion ofthe country-of-origin on the dial. Certainly for Swiss watches; therules are on the 'net, but I can't remember the URL. No doubt asearch on 'Google' will find it.

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It is all to do with how much of thewatch is actually made in Switzerland, hence what is legal to bemarked on the watch as 'Swiss'.I have a feeling that anything with 'Japan' on the dial is entirelyJapanese (like many 'Accurist' watches), as opposed to 'Mov't Japan',where the movement is Jap and the case made elsewhere (probablysomewhere in the far-east). And they put a 'prestige' Chinese (Hong-Kong) movement in it.

This, too,went faulty after a while, so a further repair was made (I paid for thisone) and another ISA Swiss/Chinese movt. Was put in it.I can only comment on those that I own, and I personally haven't beenunlucky enough to have this problem.I dare say this happens with other brands as well. Ironically, the£12.00 'Ingersoll' watch my young daughters bought me for my birthdayaligns perfectly, and keeps excellent time. It has a 'Miyota'(Citizen) movement in it. No more than, say, a Seiko would stand).

I sent it off to an independentdealer who put another ISA 1198 in it - Made in China with Swiss parts bythe Prestige Time Company.Funny you should mention Seiko - I've got 5 Rotary watches, and two Seiko.One being a Kinetic, the other being a 5. I've been happy with both - the 5was a present - don't wear it that much (it's an automatic), the Kinetic isquite a rare model - looks rather art deco styles - I wear that quitefrequently, and have been very happy with it. I suspect I favour it moreover the 5, because the Kinetic (it isn't an auto relay) will operate for(I'd guess) a good couple of weeks of inactivity, before running out ofjuice, where as the automatic needs to be worn quite frequently to keep itgoing.I like my Seiko 5 and wear it daily. It is a well-made, clear,accurate (for what it is), unpretentious watch which seems robust andsolid. It was made in Singapore (by Seiko, of course!) and gains fivesecs per day; enough for me to tolerate a re-set every twelve days orso. I work in an environment governed by atomic clocks, with handyreference to a locally produced Rubidium standard, a GPS reference,and the Rugby MSF transmitted signal on top - all OK for when I needabsolute time. I have an MSF clock at home for that quick check whenI need one, as well.

If this were not so, I'd probably wear a quartzwatch (I have a few knocking about). Have had experience of have shite movements, are tacky, and the platingwears off the case at the lugs very easily.I've always been more than happy with mine I suppose the one I got was made on a Friday, or something likethat. Unfortunately it coloured my judgement of Rotary, along withanother example or two I've come across.That's only natural - you get a few bad ones, and you're not going to viewthem well.The only fault I've actually had with one of mine (not one of the models Iwas actually posting about) was a watch that I only wear occasionally. Andas luck would have it, 3 had batteries that expired all around the sametime.

So I took them to a jewellers that I normally use, but the mentionedthat this particular watch wasn't running, and it wasn't the battery. Theysaid they couldn't see any particular / obvious faults - but could send itoff to be serviced, for a fixed price. So I sent it off, and it came backrunning just fine - I did ask if anything had been fed back about what waswrong, but they had no details. Which might have been made in China or Switzerland, according to theblurb.I guess this was what I was puzzled with - doesn't really bother me from aperceived quality standpoint - I'm under no illusions that any of thewatches I own are particularly of any quality. But with 3 of the same model,and only one mentioning 'JAPAN' on the dial, I was curious as to whether itimplied anything about that particular watch (as opposed to the model ingeneral).It may have something to do with where the destined market for thewatch was.

Isn't the USA obliged to show country-of-origin onimported goods? There are rules 'n' regs governing the inclusion ofthe country-of-origin on the dial. Certainly for Swiss watches; therules are on the 'net, but I can't remember the URL. No doubt asearch on 'Google' will find it.

No more than, say, a Seiko would stand). I sent it off to an independentdealer who put another ISA 1198 in it - Made in China with Swiss parts bythe Prestige Time Company.Funny you should mention Seiko - I've got 5 Rotary watches, and two Seiko.One being a Kinetic, the other being a 5. I've been happy with both - the 5was a present - don't wear it that much (it's an automatic), the Kinetic isquite a rare model - looks rather art deco styles - I wear that quitefrequently, and have been very happy with it.

I suspect I favour it moreover the 5, because the Kinetic (it isn't an auto relay) will operate for(I'd guess) a good couple of weeks of inactivity, before running out ofjuice, where as the automatic needs to be worn quite frequently to keep itgoing.I like my Seiko 5 and wear it daily. It is a well-made, clear,accurate (for what it is), unpretentious watch which seems robust andsolid. It was made in Singapore (by Seiko, of course!) and gains fivesecs per day; enough for me to tolerate a re-set every twelve days orso.I don't wear mine enough. Movement, and costing about an eighth of the price.Were they the Everite brand watches?It was indeed an 'Everite'.Did they ever make any fairly expensive watches?I remember in the late 70s, my grandfather bought a watch, and from thefamily's talk, it was reasonable expensive. I thought it was called an'Everite King'. It was a gold, quite chunky, with a leather strap, and Ithink had the day in about 3 languages;-)It was passed to my dad, when my grandfather passed (even though it was mymaternal grandfather), I'll have a look at it, at some point, out ofinterest.I always got the impression it was quite a quality item, given the time oflife when my grandfather bought it - he had an illness, at that point -cancer - and I think wanted to have a decent watch for the time he had left.I wasn't very old at the time, though, so the details may be a littlesketchy.

I'm sorry, but - to mymind - Rotary watches are no better than 'Singapore Rolexes' or thosewatches one buys on a market stall.I would steer well clear of them.I once repaired a 'Rotary' watch of about 1978 cintage. It was a realcontrast to the tat I have described; it had a 'Harley' quartzmovement in it and seemed really well-made.I'm no expert on the moements - I have never taken the back off any, so Idon't have a feel on that.But from a lay perspective, they all seem of similar quality to my otherwatches (Seiko). I remember in the late 70s, my grandfather bought a watch, and from thefamily's talk, it was reasonable expensive. I thought it was called an'Everite King'.

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